Keiths:New Bike

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Keith is going to buy a new Bike, not to be confused with Keiths:Other New Bike. While this seems pretty straight forward, its actually a lot more complicated then you think. The complicating factor is that there are TOO many choices, at any price point, there are so many choices!

This page are my ramblings about buying a new bike, what I am looking for, what options there are, what extras I will be considering, and whatever else comes up along the way.

Contents

Bike Fit

I am pretty particular about bike fit, it is the most important thing about a bike. Typically I am a 58cm top tube c2c, 73 degree seat tube, with a 120mm stem, that basically provides the right position. I am interested if I can improve that position on my new investment. I have found a great web page Competitive Cyclist Fit Calculator which I will be trying out. I have also come up with a simple form for recording actual bike fit.

Build my Own

Very rarely does a bike include the full spec you want, so picking my own frame see "Titanium Desire" below, and selecting the groupset I would like (see Keiths:Road Groupsets), and wheels (see Keiths:Road Wheels), bar, seat stem, etc (see Keiths:Road Components) is very appealing. Just not sure it will be cost effective, but we will see.

Road Specification Short List
Frameset Wheelset Groupset Components Accessories
Frame Rims Levers (Brake and Gear) Pedals Shoes
Forks Hubs Brakes Head Stem Bottle Cages
Headset Spokes Rear Derailleur Handlebars Pump
Tires Front Derailleur (inc band) Handlebar Tape Saddle Bag
Tubes Cranks (including ratio's) Handlebar Plugs (in case your using Bontrager Buzz-Kill) Computer
Skewers Bottom Bracket (thread type) Seat Lights
Cassette (including ratio's) Seat Post Bell (yes you should have one)
Chain Seat Clamp
Seat Post
Cables
Fork Spacers
Fork Top Cap

Titanium Desire

I would just LOVE a titanium bike, I have wanted one since I was about 16, thats a lifetime of lust! I have been compiling a list of Titanium custom bike builders and manufacturers

I feel in love with Masi's while working in Brisbane Bicycle Sales and Hire, we used to sell them and the oversize steel bikes Masi made in the early 90's were devine.

"the main benefits of titanium, namely performance, stiffness, durability and comfort."

So the desire list (thats the next step from a wish list):

  1. Lynskey R230
  2. Ritchey Break-Away Road
  3. Moots Vamoots
  4. Serotta Fierte Ti
  5. Serotta Legend Ti and Carbon
  6. Everti Falcon
  7. Everti Phoenix
Titanium Bike Short List
Brand Model Frame Fork Weight Price USD Price AUD Articles
Lynskey R230 3AL/2.5V Butten Gauge Titanium? Alpha Q Carbon 1.25kg Frame

0.45kg Fork

1.70kg Frame and Fork

$2,295 Frame only

$2,525 Frame and Fork

AUD review

forum article

Lynskey Houseblend Cooper 3AL/2.5V Straight Gauge Titanium Alpha Q Carbon 1.3kg Frame

0.45kg Fork

1.75kg Frame and Fork

$1,295 Frame only

$1,575 Frame and Fork

AUD Bikerumor

Bikeradar


Ritchey Break-Away Road Ti/Carbon Titanium (more) Ritchey WCS Carbon 1.9kg Frame and Fork $2,895.00 AUD Bikeradar review
Moots Vamoots Titanium (more) N/A Weight $2,525 AUD Bikeradar
Serotta Fierte Ti Serotta's 3Al/2.5V seamless titanium tubing Serotta Composites S3 Weight $3,513 AUD
Serotta Legend Ti and Carbon Frame Fork 1,550 gm $5,190 AUD
Everti Falcon Cold-worked, stress-relieved, double-butted, seamless 3/2.5 titanium tubing Fork 1245 $1,595 AUD Road Bike Review
Everti Phoenix Cold-worked, stress-relieved, double-butted, seamless 3/2.5 titanium tubing Fork 1275 $1,595 AUD Road Bike Review
Brand Model Frame Fork Weight USD AUD Article

Background

History

More then a few years ago (late 80's early 90's), I worked in bike shops, in and around Brisbane in Queensland, Australia. During that time, I was a bike mechanic, salesperson, and general fanatic. I raced both road and mountain, as well as some duo-atholons. I helped start the Ipswich Mountain Bike club, and was active in local bike community. My lifestyle revolved around bikes which I loved.

At some point, I decided that I should start full time Uni, which made it difficult to work in shops, and I changed industries to computers specifically programming and networking. Over the last 14 years I have managed to keep riding, never enough, but have maintained an interest in cycling and bikes.

Over the years I have riden mainly for fun, but also commuting, and recently I bought my wife a bike and we bought a trailer so we can take our two children with us on rides on some of the excellent bike tracks Brisbane has to offer.

Recently

More recently, I have started riding again, mainly for fitness and health, I want to improve my quality of life now and well into my retirement (30 plus years away). So I signed up for the The Wilson HTM Brisbane to the Gold Coast Cycle Challenge which is a 100km ride from Brisbane to the Gold Coast, its not competative. I managed to complete this in about 4 hours and 50 minutes ride time, which wasn't bad for little to no training and riding a Fisher Mountain Bike with slicks. This has refreshed my passion for cycling, and I had a plan to buy a new bike in the next 12 months, so I could use cycling as my major

Then I heard about the Amy Gillet Foundation organised Amy's Ride Queensland, which was a 100km ride again from Brisbane to the Gold Coast, BUT this had to be done under 4 hours, meaning an average speed of 25km/hr, the mountain bike would not do. I dusted off my well riden steel road bike, with Suntour Sprint 14 speed indexed gears.

I started training, training was going well, then the trusty old bike started to have some mechanical problems. Spokes breaking, bolts breaking, the gearing was a little too high. So I started to think about accelerating my plans for a new bike. I mentioned this to my neighbor, who suggested his collegue was looking to sell his old bike after buying a new Cervello.

This resulted in the second hand acquisition of a 2004 Felt S60 which is a alluminium frame with carbon fibre seat stays and forks. I can't believe the difference in riding this bike to my trusty old steel bike (which has alluminium forks), Shimano STI, smooth ride, acceleration up hills, stiff, responsive.

I did more training, and completed Amy's Ride in an average speed of 23.9km/hr, which given the head wind for the last 50 to 70 km, I will call 25km/hr.

1 Mar 09 Update: In the 2008 Brisbane to Gold Coast I managed a 3:15 for 100km which I am pretty happy with.

Future

I have the bug, I want to keep riding, I have a plan to keep my bikes now, and in the next couple of years to buy a new bike, I am going to document the process I go through to buy a new bike, and hopefully other people with a little less experience in the complications of cycling will get some benefit from my ramblings.

Requirements

For a living, I design stuff, IT type stuff, mainly networks and software, the way we do that is to understand the requirements and then design and engineer a system to meet these requirements. So to figure out what bike I am going to buy, I am going to write down my requirements and try and match these requirements to a bike.

The trick to designing IT systems is the magic triangle which has three factors: resource, quality and scope. To build the ultimate IT system all of these would be variable, but they are invariably NOT. I believe that Tom Ritchey said something like "weight, strength, cost, pick two". So for a bike, our magic triangle would be something like: price, quality, weight. This accounts for manufacturing price, design, group set, frame materials, other components, various options, etc.

Part of determining the requirements is defining what requirements are mandatory and what requirements are optional or variable. For example you may have your heart set on a custom built bike, so you may end up spending more money on the frame from your overall budget, and use a lower spec'd group set. You may want a titanium bike, so be happy to settle for Shimano 105 for a $5000 bike.

General

Type

Geometry

I have fairly typical measurements for a 58cm frame, seat and top tube being 58cm, and about a 100mm stem, depending on seat angle.

I currently like a more laid back seat angle, with an agressive but not killer head tube angle.

Frame Material

Components

Off the shelf bikes will come with a component set, often spec'd in a way to make you go ooh aah, like Shimano 105 levers and front deraileur with an Ultegra rear deraileur, this is not a bad thing, your rear shifter does lots of work. Its all about the manufacturer meeting their requirements for marketing a bike at a specific price.

When buying a bike you can usually negotiate to upgrade some of the components at purchase time, upgrading the wheels would be a good example.


Accessories

Most accessories are not essential, but some are fairly hard to do without.

Bike Short List

2008 has seen a new range of bikes and price reductions in Australia, the following bikes represent the best value for money as well as some of the best reviews I have read.

Oppy Le Mauco and Lyon

The Legend is Back Yes, this is a Malvern Star, but the value for money is UNBELIEVABLE, checkout the spec's and the price points! The Geometry is spot on. Its getting good reviews.

Masi 3VC Volumetrica Ultegra

Masi 3VC Online

Scott CR1 Pro (Ultegra)

Scott CR1 Online

Trek Madone 4.5 TCT

Trek Madone 4.5 Online

Cannondale Six13 1

Cannondale Six13 1 Online

Bikes

For other bikes I am keen on but aren't for road riding, check out Keiths:Bikes

Specifications

Specifications - Frame and Accessories

Specifications - Frame and
Bike Price AUD Weight Frame Fork Saddle Seat Post Handlebars Stem Headset
Oppy Le Mauco $3,999 Weight Carbon Monocoqoue Fork Saddle FSA Carbon Pro FSA Carbon Pro Bar FSA OS-150 with Carbon Face Plate Integrated
Masi 3VC Ultegra $3,595 Weight Masi High Modulus Full Carbon Lugged Frame Masi FC/Pro Monocoque Carbon fi’zi:k Aliante Delta w/ Manganese Rails Masi Filament Wound Carbon 31.6 x 350mm Ritchey Pro Logic 31.8mm Ritchey Pro Logic 31.8mm Ritchey Pro Zero Drop-in w/Carbon Spacers
Scott CR1 Pro $3,599 7.8kg Scott CR 1 HMF, CR1 Carbon technology, Road geometry, Integrated Headtube Scott Carbone CR1 Pro, 1 1/8 "" Carbone steerer Integrated Saddle CR1 Pro Scott Road Drop OS, Anatomic 31.8 mm Scott Road Team OS, 1-1/8"" / four Bolt 31.8 mm Integrated Cartridge
Trek Madone 4.5 $2,999 Weight TCT Carbon Bontrager Race Bontrager Carbon Bontrager Select VR 31.8mm Bontrager Select 7 degree 31.8mm Aheadset Allow dual pivot
Cannondale Six13 1 $4,100 ($3,500) Weight Alloy/Carbon Slice Premium Carbon San Marco Ponza Lux Cannondale C2 Carbon-wrapped Control Tech Compact Cannondale C-3 FSA Carbon integrated, 25mm top cover
Bike Price Weight Frame Fork Saddle Seat Post Handlebars Stem Headset

Specifications - Drivetrain

Specifications - Drive Train
Bike Price AUD Wheels Tires Shifters Front Derailleur Rear Derailleur Crank Cassette Brakes
Oppy Le Mauco $3,999 Mavic Ksyrium SL Premium Hutchison Fusion 2 Kevlar Tyres Dura-Ace Dura-Ace Dura-Ace Dura-Ace Dura-Ace Dura-Ace
Masi 3VC Ultegra $3,595 Shimano R580 Vittoria Rubino Pro 23c Folding Bead Shimano Ultegra STI 10 Speed Shimano Ultegra Shimano Dura Ace Shimano Ultegra w/ Integrated BB; 50/34 Shimano Ultegra 10 Speed 11-23 Shimano Ultegra Dual Pivot
Scott CR1 Pro $3,599 Mavic Ksyrium Elite Black Hutchinson Equinox FOLD 700 x 23 Shimano Ultegra ST-6600 Shimano Ultegra FD-6600 Shimano Ultegra RD-6600 Shimano Ultegra FC-6600, Hollowtech II 39/53 T Shimano Ultegra CS-6600 12-25 T Brakes
Trek Madone 4.5 $2,999 Bontrager Race Bontrager Race Lite, 700x23c Shimano 105, 10 speed Shimano 105 Shimano 105 Shimano 105 50/34 Shimano 105 11-25, 10 speed Alloy dual pivot
Cannondale Six13 1 $4,100 ($3,500) Mavic Ksyrium Equipe Maxxis Xenith Hors Categorie Foldable, 700 x23c Shimano Dura Ace Shimano Dura Ace Shimano Dura Ace FSA SL-K LIGHT Carbon, 39/53, FSA MEGAEXO BB Shimano Ultegra, 12 - 25 Shimano BR-R560
Bike Price Wheels Tires Shifters Front Derailleur Rear Derailleur Crank Cassette Brakes

Geometry

Below is the geometery for the bikes I like. As a baseline, I have included my current ride, a 2004 Felt F60, this is a sweet ride, very responsive and very racey. Handling is excellent and the bike is well balanced. I am 182cm tall, (5' 11.75"), and quite long legs and arms, so usually a 58cm is the go.

Bike Short List Geometry
Bike Size Head Angle Seat Angle Head Tube Length mm Effective Top Tube mm Seat Tube c2c mm Seat Tube c2t mm Chainstay Length mm BB Offset/Drop mm Fork Rake mm Wheelbase
Baseline 2004 Felt F60 58cm 74 73.5 170 580 542 580 410 70 43 1003
Oppy Le Mauco/Lyon L 73 73 165 570 Seat Tube c2c 520 408 BB Offset/Drop Fork Rake 998
Masi 3VC Ultegra 58 73 73 180 580 N/A 540 405 70 43 N/A
Scott CR1 Pro XL/58 73.0 73.3 190 575 520 580 405 67 N/A N/A
Trek Madone 4.5 M 58 cm 73.8 73.1 190 572 N/A 553 411 268 (height) 40 992
Cannondale Six13 1 56 73.5 73 169 560 540 N/A 405 69 45 992
Cannondale Six13 1 58 73 73.5 189 575 560 N/A 405 67 45 996
Bike Size Head Angle Seat Angle Head Tube Length Effective Top Tube Seat Tube c2c Seat Tube c2t Chainstay Length BB Offset/Drop Fork Rake Wheelbase

Spec List

Bike Specs Include:

  • Frameset
    • Frame
    • Forks
    • Headset
  • Wheelset
    • Rims
    • Hubs
    • Spokes
    • Tires
    • Tubes
    • Skewers
  • Groupset
    • Levers (Brake and Gear)
    • Brakes
    • Rear Derailleur
    • Front Derailleur
    • Cranks (including ratio's)
    • Bottom Bracket
    • Cassette (including ratio's)
    • Chain
  • Components
    • Pedals
    • Head Stem
    • Handlebars
    • Handlebar Tape
    • Handlebar Plugs (in case your using Bontrager Buzz-Kill)
    • Seat
    • Seat Post
    • Seat Clamp
    • Cables
  • Accessories
    • Shoes
    • Bottle Cages
    • Pump
    • Saddle Bag
    • Computer
    • Lights
    • Bell (yes you should have one)
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